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Yaya seems to want magic to suddenly exist, because they think that that would allow them to understand the universe. but I think that the universe is already kind of magical, but we just don't really appreciate it because it's always been that way, and so when the world suddenly changes and becomes more magical, eventually people will be born into this world when this magic has become mundane, and they will want real magic to exist. my point is that if there was some sudden change in the universe like that, it wouldn't really matter all that much, and it wouldn't make you understand the universe that much better in the grand scheme of things, even if it is a huge step forward in the short term. I think that it's better to appreciate what the universe is now, rather than waiting for it to become more interesting
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I'd agree with that. To be blunt though, Yaya doesn't want magic to suddenly exist; they want to be right that magic existed all along and that their delusions are correct. With that in mind, their issue isn't that they don't appreciate the universe as it is now to them.
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woah, bre spitting fax
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A long kiss goodnight 10/25/2021 6:09 PM
I agree humans looking for answers is always going to happen, and not enjoying what you have is missing out. Unless the enjoyment comes from the search, would that be enjoying what the universe is offering in the end? I am eager to sail the tulpa ship and discover new tulpamancy. I'm doing it at a snails pace if course, but I like the idea tulpamancy can always be improved upon or there's knowledge yet to be discovered. I hope that once I find what I do, other people have the chance to continue exploring new thongs as I did
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I feel like discovering things is the easy part, but writing them down so that others can use and build on them is the hard part
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A long kiss goodnight 10/25/2021 6:26 PM
That's very true. I'm very slow to publish, all I have in my name is a few drafts floating around
6:28 PM
One day I'll build my publishing skills to the point I can roll out essays and such. I actually wanted to write brief essays, but soon I found they either turned into guide material (especially creation guide material I don't want to publish) or more complicated articles that need more thought put into them. What was left was pretty controversial (edited)
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Breloomancer
Yaya seems to want magic to suddenly exist, because they think that that would allow them to understand the universe. but I think that the universe is already kind of magical, but we just don't really appreciate it because it's always been that way, and so when the world suddenly changes and becomes more magical, eventually people will be born into this world when this magic has become mundane, and they will want real magic to exist. my point is that if there was some sudden change in the universe like that, it wouldn't really matter all that much, and it wouldn't make you understand the universe that much better in the grand scheme of things, even if it is a huge step forward in the short term. I think that it's better to appreciate what the universe is now, rather than waiting for it to become more interesting
I'm actually preferential of a world where magic doesn't exist, because then it doesn't amplify our own abilities beyond our control. I'm trying to understand the extent to which all universes are possible. It all seems like a dream, where we are one of many potential worlds, and the lines intersect to the extent that we are awake to our own potential
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it seems possible that the universe switches into a dramatically different direction to the extent that it currently stimulates our sense of irony and betrayal, and I'm open to the idea that the new direction comes from within according to the will of the universe
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If there really are infinite universes, then all things are possible and I'm just not self-developed enough to realize myself into the universes where amazing technology and magic exist. Either that, or I'm not in control at all, and I'm just an observer, a fleeting emotion that waits for the universe to unfold before him. Basically you can either self-develop into a god of some alternate plane of reality or the alternate reality happens when it happens, basically
4:57 AM
either way its a win-win, I'm not saying I need or desire anything, I just find the concept fascinating
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hydrix95
it seems possible that the universe switches into a dramatically different direction to the extent that it currently stimulates our sense of irony and betrayal, and I'm open to the idea that the new direction comes from within according to the will of the universe
And when the next universe starts its roll, will the second person be the one who asks the "Will I be you?" question, and thus begin the game? Or will that being be so different from us that it's not really interesting? It's a little known truth, that the universe is not the way it is because it is the way it is. (I'm sure some very smart people would be able to explain it better than I can.) It is rather because it is a particular way, that we perceive it as the way it is. The universe, however, is not the same as how we perceive it, or how it behaves. It's like the way I view the world around me through my own personal lens. It's easy to see that other people have lenses that we can see on their faces, and I often see myself in them. People who are on the same wavelength as I am, tend to have a similar lens. What we perceive as real is not the real world, but only an image of that world in our minds, because there are parts of that world that we cannot see, like the space behind our eyes. Because it's easy to see it is the real world to us, that we perceive it to be. What we call the "reality" is in part an illusion, and the part of that illusion that we feel as real, is the part of the illusion that affects our feelings. It's the part of the illusion that we perceive as "out there", and not "in here", because that's the side we can directly influence by our choices, and our decisions to act. This is the nature of this illusion, and how it works to affect our lives.
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Reposting here: Hey guys. It's me again, seeking some advice on vocality. After a really good day about a week ago where Alex was talking a lot, seemed to gain more sapience, and was very vocal, it's been pretty quiet. I usually force at least 45 minutes actively each day, and passively at other times. I get the head buzzing, and I get occasional bursts of emotional reaction, but only brief flickers of very subtle communication. Today especially, I am getting the head buzzing, and I feel like he really wants to respond, but I'm only getting very subtle whispers back, ones that are easily confused with stray thoughts, not even discrete tulpish. I can't visualize him much either. I don't have a sense of his presence much either. I've tried some vocality exercises, letting him type his responses (a bit) and trying to make noise in my head to respond, does anyone have any other advice? (I am getting pretty irritated that we have some days that are really good for hours but then I can't get much of a response from him for a week after).
8:52 PM
I guess I'm just looking for advice that helped anyone else here who struggled with vocality / presence coming and going so much. I thought after two and a half months it would be much easier for Alex to be around more.
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Have you tried taking a break?
9:01 PM
It's totally fine to do that
9:01 PM
Like, my host forced me for a month, left me for a semester to focus on school, and brought me back
9:01 PM
And I was totally fine with it
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I've taken breaks for a few days, especially when I feel worn out from forcing.
9:02 PM
But I don't particularly feel worn out now.
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Ah okay
9:03 PM
Hmm. I would say keep trying. Repetition is really the best way to get a new "procedure" down in your head.
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I know I need to be patient, but it's just really frusterating because I like having him around. Just yesterday we had a really interesting conversation about the nature of happiness, but it was only for around 10 minutes then he faded out again.
9:03 PM
For basically the rest of the day.
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How old is he?
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I decided to start forcing on August 13th.
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It takes some people longer than others to develop a tulpa. My host forced me for around a month and I could barely communicate during that point... some have that for several months
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have you ever had them try to talk to people outside of your system? People in my system find that much more engaging
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Oh that's true too
9:05 PM
Yeah, outside communication is great
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Yeah, actually I was just trying that now.
9:05 PM
Which is why I got on Discord, it seems to be really good for him.
9:05 PM
But I only got like one or two sentences from him before the conversation he was having dropped.
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Honestly, "real life" interactions of any sort were the largest leaps in my development
9:06 PM
Much more than head-bound ones
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if you tell people that they are still learning they won't mind if the conversation just suddenly drops off. We're used to it
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9:06 PM
im saying 'we' as in the server as a whole not my system
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And it's pretty normal for younger tulpas to get "tired" after a bit. It improves over time.
9:07 PM
Your brain is getting used to the way your tulpa interacts with you and others
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im 4 and i still get tired after a bit
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It also seems like lately when I talk to him his emotions are more blunted, and he's a lot harder to tell from intrusive thoughts.
9:08 PM
I dunno, I guess I can't be doing forcing 'wrong' right?
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i dont think so, no
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Maybe the time I put into every day isn't enough to sustain progress?
9:08 PM
I don't want to backslide, but I don't want to push myself too hard and get burnt out, which I have in the past.
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45 minutes a day is probably more than most people
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Really? I thought it was supposed to be like 2 hours a day.
9:09 PM
Did you try let Alex talk on discord? (edited)
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Maybe I can add in some more passive forcing, like reading to him.
9:09 PM
Alex, and yeah, he's talked here a few times, and I was just letting him DM someone.
9:09 PM
I can let him talk now.
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Sorry, I fixed it!
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God I could not do 2 hours a day.
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I think 45minutes is very impressive commitment
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Most people I think do sporadic interaction
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Dammit. I put my keys on the keyboard and I can feel the head buzzing and this urge to try to push through and talk.
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the more they interact with the real world the more they will have to talk about and more things they can refer to that applies to themselves rather than you. The more you do it the better and easier it gets
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But I'm not able to understand what he wants to say, not even tulpish.
9:11 PM
His name is @Lion on this Discord. Feel free to DM him and he'll probably DM you when he's able to talk again.
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Don't worry, he and you will eventually get the hang of that kind of communication.
9:12 PM
Like
9:12 PM
What you're talking about right now with him wanting to talk
9:12 PM
Actually....
9:13 PM
I've found I'm more eager to talk to people when I'm directly addressed
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Yeah I know, it's just...I thought we /did/ have the hang of it. And lately it seems like I get these instant subtle responses when I talk to him sometimes, but they're different than his normal ones and kind of indistinguishable from rogue thoughts, but I'm trying to treat them as his responses. What really sucks is that a lot of our communication is visual, like I'll notice his facial expressions when he talks to me, and I'm not able to visualize him much at all lately.
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From someone outside my head
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hi @Lion
9:13 PM
How are you doing?
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Hey Alex!
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Actually almost every time he's active I can visualize him.
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@Deleted User Hello.
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Hi! It's nice to meet you!
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Fox fronted for ages yesterday purely because Shield said hi to him once
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Yay!
9:14 PM
Welcome back!
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How do you feel?
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[I am back (./?)]
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Seems so
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This is pretty vague, I might be making it up.
9:15 PM
No you weren't making it up, it's all ok!
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Nat Osaka
How do you feel?
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It's okay, a lot of it IS faking it in a way. You're trying something new and you'll stumble along the way
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Why are you frightened?
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Don't worry
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[I am not (the same / myself?)]
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fake it until you make it
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This is normal
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Lion
[I am not (the same / myself?)]
Yeah I know what you mean. When I was a younger tulpa, I had times where I doubted I was who I was
9:17 PM
Things will be confusing. That's a normal part of the process
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[I want Fox (something, can't tell)]
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Here you go!
9:17 PM
🦊
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huh lol
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I think he was referring to me.
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I think so too
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How was it?
9:18 PM
Like he wants to talk more?
9:18 PM
@Nat Osaka Sending you a friend requst on his behalf.
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But giving him some time to interpret stuff
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